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Camping.
Feb 21, 2023 9:10:57 GMT 10
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Post by haitch on Feb 21, 2023 9:10:57 GMT 10
We're just gearing up for our first few days away camping. The amount of stuff being taken is growing rapidly. Which, because both of us will be going, begs the question. Is it more efficient to load the sidecar, and the passenger becomes a pillion rider? Or stack everything around and under the SC passenger, with the overflow on the pillion position? Just curious what everyone else has done. Do the dynamics change much with a pillion? We will be testing this out for ourselves of course. But, any preferences or insights appreciated.
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Post by michaelk on Feb 21, 2023 14:14:21 GMT 10
Hi, Have you read these bits of info? sidecar.com/hal-kendall-operators-manual/There is a section all about c of g, etc, and how it affects cornering and stability. The man recommends no pillion, unless the chair is over loaded, and I tend to agree, as a pillion raises the C of G. On a solo, the pillion sits there like a sack of potatoes, and leans into the corners, just like the rider. A pillion on a sidecar has all the lateral forces pushing them sideways, with nothing to hang onto. At least the driver has the handlebars to hang onto! I might be all wrong, never tried it with a pillion, would be interested to know if the wife falls off! And do you have a rack on the spare wheel, or on the front bonnet? Cheers Mick
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Camping.
Feb 21, 2023 16:16:58 GMT 10
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Post by haitch on Feb 21, 2023 16:16:58 GMT 10
Hi, Have you read these bits of info? sidecar.com/hal-kendall-operators-manual/There is a section all about c of g, etc, and how it affects cornering and stability. The man recommends no pillion, unless the chair is over loaded, and I tend to agree, as a pillion raises the C of G. On a solo, the pillion sits there like a sack of potatoes, and leans into the corners, just like the rider. A pillion on a sidecar has all the lateral forces pushing them sideways, with nothing to hang onto. At least the driver has the handlebars to hang onto! I might be all wrong, never tried it with a pillion, would be interested to know if the wife falls off! And do you have a rack on the spare wheel, or on the front bonnet? Cheers Mick Thanks Mick. I will have a good read. I have racks at both ends of the chair and its mudguard. I am aware of the Ural loading suggestions and the load triangle theory.(Which seems at odds) Also aware of many who ignore it all, and get away with it. I was going to put a small Rotopax on. But, can't bring myself to drill holes in the SC. 😆😆
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Post by Uralee on Feb 21, 2023 16:24:37 GMT 10
Three most important things to remember when loading for a camping trip..
1. Make sure the passenger is comfortable. 2. Make sure the passenger is comfortable. 3. Make sure the passenger is comfortable.
😇. Load it and ride it. I am sure you will not be trying to set any speed records.
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Post by taz on Feb 21, 2023 19:23:08 GMT 10
Three most important things to remember when loading for a camping trip.. 1. Make sure the passenger is comfortable. 2. Make sure the passenger is comfortable. 3. Make sure the passenger is comfortable. 😇. Load it and ride it. I am sure you will not be trying to set any speed records. I couldn't agree more with Lee. If she isn't comfortable she won't enjoy it. My wife says that the chair is the most comfortable means of transport she has ever had...! And she doesn't mind if I pile all the stuff around her - and yes, there's lot's of it. We are in the process of packing for our 3rd camping trip and it is getting easier, but I am still working on trying to find a better balance. And I keep on coming up with other ideas on how to pack things. I have just fitted this Drilling holes??? Only the first one is hard, the others come easy...
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Post by Wheels on Feb 22, 2023 7:34:02 GMT 10
Fully loaded for a 7 day camping trip for two of us. No stability or performance issues. Cheers Wheels 😎
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Camping.
Feb 22, 2023 7:58:29 GMT 10
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Post by haitch on Feb 22, 2023 7:58:29 GMT 10
Fully loaded for a 7 day camping trip for two of us. No stability or performance issues. Cheers Wheels 😎 Thanks Paul. Do you have anything stored between the bike and SC, or is that left clear for your winch operation? You have done well to have no issues..Your load seems to fly in the face of all suggestions regarding tip over lines and load distribution. But, if it is working for you thats the main thing. There are many other examples across the Americas and Europe as well. So leaves me wondering if the science it correct or should I just err on the side of caution. Haitch
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Post by haitch on Feb 22, 2023 8:31:16 GMT 10
There is a wealth of information re, CofG and tip over lines here too. sidecarafrica.co.za/Manuals.htmThe only one I've seen that is dedicated to leftie sidecars. It is a free download in pdf format.
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Post by Wheels on Feb 22, 2023 13:02:02 GMT 10
Fully loaded for a 7 day camping trip for two of us. No stability or performance issues. Cheers Wheels 😎 Thanks Paul. Do you have anything stored between the bike and SC, or is that left clear for your winch operation? You have done well to have no issues..Your load seems to fly in the face of all suggestions regarding tip over lines and load distribution. But, if it is working for you thats the main thing. There are many other examples across the Americas and Europe as well. So leaves me wondering if the science it correct or should I just err on the side of caution. Haitch Haitch Rear to front between bike and sidecar is a 10 litre fuel canister, an ammo style toolbox that holds everything I need to do a wheel change, including a jack, and then the winch which can winch forwards or rearwards. Although it probably doesn’t matter the inside front of the sidecar is clear, I don’t like blocking air to that left cylinder even though it runs a little cooler than the right. Fully loaded the rig sticks like glue to the road. No front wheel lift, no side car flying, no rear wheel lift (even in extreme circumstances) and best of all it tracks and steers perfectly. Cheers Wheels 😎
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Post by Tvan on Feb 22, 2023 15:42:10 GMT 10
G’day Haitch,
I am sure Lee will vouch for me, Simone and I have been camping with bikes for many years as well as bush walking, I run a inventory of camping gear and weigh everything. We go light weight with tents, sleeping bags and mattress, as for cooking we keep this really simple. Before you pack lay it all out and look at what is essential what is nice to have and then look a at the “why am I taking “. Once sorted then weigh whats left and that should guide you on where to put things. Wish you well
Jake
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