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Post by taz on Jun 10, 2022 20:11:38 GMT 10
I'm in the process of building several racks to go on our rig. Still considering myself a novice I would appreciate some input on load distribution. When we drove 1500km home from where we bought our Ural, I started with all the gear in the boot and piled on the rear rack, plus passenger in the chair. Sometimes accelerating from a light I had trouble keeping a straight line, the front wheel would be slipping to the left. Must be because these machines are massively overpowered Moving the the heaviest bag across to the back of the bike was quite an improvement. So how should I distribute the weight to get the best balance? I have seen the Ural 10/70/20 video, but if I load the rig up with camping gear for 2 for a few days, water, fuel etc, we are probably quite a bit overloaded and the video is not very helpful. For example some forum pictures show jerrycans mounted on front outside of the chair (wheels?), wouldn't it make more sense to have this weight on the inside front, closer to the bike? I appreciate any advice before I start drilling holes for jerry can holders, etc.
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Post by longtravel on Jun 11, 2022 15:54:11 GMT 10
I work on trying to keep the weight within the triangle as much as possible. That's the triangle between the three wheels. So the jerry can on the outside of the chair would be best to avoid if you can. Also keeping in mind the risk of weight forward in right hand corners. You feel the back wheel getting light, as it starts to come up, when going fast in right handers.
I also keep the weight as low as possible, so carrying water in the boot is good. I travel as light as I can. It makes a big difference to the handling.
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Post by taz on Jun 11, 2022 16:22:54 GMT 10
I have also been thinking of the triangle. Boot and luggage rack are essentially outside the triangle. I'm trying to compensate somewhat for that by moving some weight forward. And I totally agree light is better, but...
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Post by edge on Jan 22, 2023 7:21:05 GMT 10
hi changing the subject where did you get your seat I seriously need to upgrade mine
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Post by taz on Jan 24, 2023 19:42:19 GMT 10
Hi Edge,
This seat was on the bike when we bought it. I have since replaced it with the tractor seat which I prefer. I am pretty shure this seat was bought from Ural, I suggest you give Clare a call
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Post by haitch on Mar 15, 2023 15:19:36 GMT 10
I just posted a Video of our recent attempt at Camping FYI. But, some things I learned along the way may affect how you load your kit. The first thing I did was to load up everything we were taking, including my passenger, and head down to the local rubbish tip to use their weigh bridge. We weighed in at 629Kg. That is about 17Kg short of the Maximum for a 2wd GU. (includes water and fuel)
As far as the tip over lines go, they seem to fly contrary to the Ural Loading practice as both the aft end of the tub and the forward end of the tub are both outside the tip over lines from SC wheel to rear wheel and SC wheel to front wheel. I am thinking the load percentages mentioned are more to do with trying to balance fore and aft mass to effectively "plant the chair on the road" even if overloaded, provided the mass distribution is in the same percentages. There are some writings by some who suggest taking the pillion position is a dangerous move. On that point I agree. However, if the load that is on the pillion seat is strapped on and unable to move outside the front/rear wheel tip over line then it is my opinion only, that that loading practice is safe. There is another proviso, and that is the load behind the rider must not be heavier than what is in the sidecar. As for carrying water or fuel in Rotopax containers. I looked very closely at front mounted arrangements others use and some things jump out for me. The front mount folks are carrying a fair weight in the nose. But, they also balance that with a bigger than usual load at the SC rear. If I were carrying a Rotopax, it would be water and mounted at the aft end where the shovel is located (balanced by the fuel can on the other side). Also, as my 2022 GU is the first of the High Comp engines (hotter running) I am keen to keep the airway across the left pot as clear as possible so no rotopax there. Another point to consider is the higher centre of gravity caused by the GU's bigger wheels and taller snowmen (I think?) I also understand the 2wd requires the SC wheel to be positioned further back to get a better angle on the Universals. eg It handles different to a CT I'm told. There is lots to think about between C of G, load distribution and tip over lines. None of which can be considered in isolation. Just my 2c.
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Post by Uralee on Mar 15, 2023 16:44:42 GMT 10
……….And after 15 years of Uraling all round the country with all kinds of loads myself and having seen countless Urals with way bigger loads and travelling the same roads at similar speeds, I have come to the conclusion that it does not matter what you do. Your Ural will handle it and you will adjust to it. 👍👍
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Post by haitch on Mar 15, 2023 17:17:23 GMT 10
……….And after 15 years of Uraling all round the country with all kinds of loads myself and having seen countless Urals with way bigger loads and travelling the same roads at similar speeds, I have come to the conclusion that it does not matter what you do. Your Ural will handle it and you will adjust to it. 👍👍 No doubt at all Lee. Many of us are new to Ural and still learning. We do not have the benefit of 15yrs experience. We/I will be looking at daisy roots in 15 years. BUT following along blindly is not in my DNA. I learn from reading and logic. I dont have much lifetime left to accumulate your knowledge over time. I only thought to try and help Taz and myself, through dialogue, to best interpret all the information. Some of which is wrong or contradictory.
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Post by Uralee on Mar 15, 2023 17:47:22 GMT 10
H, you are methodical and measured in your approach to learning the weird world of the Ural. Don’t waste too much of your time overthinking it. Better off just enjoying. 😜 Nothing beats time on the seat.
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Post by haitch on Mar 15, 2023 17:54:03 GMT 10
H, you are methodical and measured in your approach to learning the weird world of the Ural. Don’t waste too much of your time overthinking it. Better off just enjoying. 😜 Nothing beats time on the seat. Just trying to help Taz. Most of the discussion I initiate is not just for my benefit. Sometimes it is structured to get a wider view. Taz had very little response, so thought I'd give it a crack.
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