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Post by LX Rick on Aug 30, 2019 1:26:08 GMT 10
I'm glad you like em. Best improvement I've ever made to any of my bikes.
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andyh
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Post by andyh on Sept 28, 2019 6:05:48 GMT 10
I'm glad you like em. Best improvement I've ever made to any of my bikes.
Which springs do you have? Reason I ask is that I was looking at the thread over at Soviet Steeds and the guy from IkonUSA mentioned that they were offering 2 different springs for the Cossak Shocks,the simpler version of the 7610-1664 SP14's that you and I have.
They are offering a 704 (26/34/43) which is the standard version and a 705 (32/41/52) which is the heavy duty. Numbers in brackets are progression in N/mm.
Looked at mine and found these numbers laser printed on them 617-14/15 and 607-37/12. Thought that odd because I ordered both sets separately and figured I would get the same springs. Turns out I didn't. I checked with Geoff IkonAUS to decode the numbers.617 is a 220 (22/30/39) and 607 is a 235 (26/34/43)
The 607 is in effect an American 704 but according to Geoff the springs are not interchangeable - his exact words are that they wouldn't work.
Basically just a bunch of numbers that don't really mean much. With a 300 kilogram bike that is fighting itself for position on the road the slight variation in spring rate isn't much of an issue - or is it? By checking the springs I found that the ones I had on the front were similar to their expectation of the OEM Sachs shock which I found odd. They only felt like that with the preload dialed right up and the Dampening at max. According to IkonUSA these are the standard offering on the new Cossak shocks. The ones I had on the rear were a sightly softer spring rate so I swapped them over and will see if that makes any difference.
End of the day, as LX Rick says it is the best improvement - I don't regret the cost.
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Post by LX Rick on Oct 1, 2019 2:52:24 GMT 10
I looked over mine and couldn't see any numbers. I asked them to give me a plush ride for my 90 to 95 kg body weight plus 30kg in my side car. I have maximum preload on both the front and rear of my bike, and my side car is set to the middle preload setting. I only increase the side car preload when I'm doing a road trip heavily loaded with BOTH camping gear PLUS someone in the side car. I change it back when I'm done otherwise the bike leans to the right. All my shocks/springs are the same. They were all bought at the same time. When I sit on my bike, it sits lower at the back. That's probably where you want your stronger springs. My mufflers are easy to catch on rocks.
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Post by andyh on Oct 1, 2019 12:03:19 GMT 10
I just did 1,200 kilometers with the shocks swapped and prefer it. No idea why they didn't send me the same springs for both sets. I run both front and back at 2nd preload and 2nd damp settings. My chair has the original shock... mainly a cost thing. The 1,200 ks was in 2 days and my back is fine, no recovery time needed. I covered plenty of different surfaces including deep sand... Still happy with the choice.
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Post by bewildered on Apr 10, 2022 21:00:25 GMT 10
100 miles today on newly installed Ikons, installation was not difficult but I am spoiled by the lift table, a couple of bolts were interesting, I reckon Ivan was on meth ? On my 2022 had to move the exhaust system forward but that was easy, the spigot thing above the 2-1 collector is a good thing, I removed O2 senders but that proved unnecessary. All road work today but some pretty poor sections of road which I had become familiar with using std shocks. Much better handling and comfort all round although the bad road sections are still unpleasant at speed, talking 90 to 100 kph. Front hocks set at min spring and dampening, second spring pre-load and dampening each side of the drive wheel and min spring pre-load and dampening on sidecar shock. Much better.
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Post by andyh on Apr 11, 2022 5:55:19 GMT 10
20,000 kilometers on mine and only one small issue - there is a small rust patch developing on the body powder coating. Sent the pic to Ikon and since we are a few years past warranty they won't do anything but did offer a service with will include a new body. Cost is almost the same as a new shock
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Post by andyh on May 19, 2022 6:56:13 GMT 10
Love affair with Ikon ended last weekend. The rear shocks are toast after 20,000Km's. One or both has failed so the old Sachs are back on. Went for a ride with my partner and as we pulled out of my driveway the whole thing was squirrely. At first I thought I had a flat but that wasn't it. Soft as buggery in the rear and having someone in the chair just made it so much worse. Haven't got the inclination to pull them down or send them off to Ikon for a service (last quote to powder coat the body was $212 per shock). They offer a seal kit on their website so I might see how much they are if I ever figure out which one is shot as neither are showing leaks.
Anyone got a simple test to work out which one is stuffed?
Hopefully those of you who went to Nitron have better luck.
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Post by haitch on May 19, 2022 8:19:16 GMT 10
Love affair with Ikon ended last weekend. The rear shocks are toast after 20,000Km's. One or both has failed so the old Sachs are back on. Went for a ride with my partner and as we pulled out of my driveway the whole thing was squirrely. At first I thought I had a flat but that wasn't it. Soft as buggery in the rear and having someone in the chair just made it so much worse. Haven't got the inclination to pull them down or send them off to Ikon for a service (last quote to powder coat the body was $212 per shock). They offer a seal kit on their website so I might see how much they are if I ever figure out which one is shot as neither are showing leaks. Anyone got a simple test to work out which one is stuffed? Hopefully those of you who went to Nitron have better luck. That's very disappointing Andy. Can you tell if the springs are sagged out, or damping is knackered. Shame about poor support. I would hope HCS or Nitrons would have a longer service life. Perhaps they should have a distance warranty??
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Post by bewildered on May 19, 2022 17:09:21 GMT 10
Reckon it would be dampening gone on one shock ? Pull the springs and check by hand or without spring hang the shock with a weight, compress and check time taken to fully extend. Have you spoken to Ikon ?
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Post by andyh on May 20, 2022 7:15:27 GMT 10
... Shame about poor support. I would hope HCS or Nitrons would have a longer service life. Perhaps they should have a distance warranty?? Support is great, returned emails promptly, what isn't great is the cost of a service - although that quote does include full service, GST and Delivery cost. Distance would be nice especially somewhere around 40K Reckon it would be dampening gone on one shock ? Agree, pretty sure the RH rear dampening has failed, just need to get the springs off and check. Haven't spoken to Ikon since the last quote (which was valid for 7 days btw...)
Good news is the original Sachs are back on, preload at zero and stiff as a board. Quick test run was good except I am going to have to ditch the tractor seat and refit the 2/3 solo if I want my back to survive.
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