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Post by haitch on Jul 24, 2021 12:27:10 GMT 10
Hi Lee, 2WD Ural and a winch I guess its to pull someone else out of trouble ,,, cheers Rob I guess 4wd's have winch's to extract themselves when not in company. Snatch straps to extract others. I was watching a South African Ural tour company recently. Guess what, he had the equivalent of Maxtraks trapped on the back of the outfit. It was a single wheel drive as too.
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Post by Wheels on Jul 24, 2021 12:42:06 GMT 10
Hi Lee, 2WD Ural and a winch I guess its to pull someone else out of trouble ,,, cheers Rob YES. Any 1wd that tries to follow me......🤣🤣🤣 Actually my thought process is that having 2wd I may be even more adventurous and end up requiring self recovery.....as wheels would say “covering my ass” 🤣🤣🤣 Exactly!....all very well travelling with company!... but travelling on your Pat Malone in out of the way areas you better make sure your adventurous ass is covered. Lee! it mightn’t be a bad idea having a 1WD following you on your 2WD (and keeping them there) because you just might need a hand to change a flat on those two wheels the spare won’t fit!.... just sayin! 😂🤣😎
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Post by Tvan on Jul 24, 2021 12:47:18 GMT 10
Thanks Lee, will have a closer look. I am pretty flexible if coming down our way.
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Post by Wheels on Jul 24, 2021 16:22:00 GMT 10
Thinking Ural winching!…..I might be wrong but reckon a rearward winch pull could be just as important as a forward one, maybe more important. Bobsie and l (her on her Tourist and me on my Retro) both got badly stuck on seperate river crossings on the same day in the Condomine Gorge (no phone range, no people, no other vehicles and on a weekday). it’s a long story but both were potential winch jobs (which we didn’t have) and it was with lots of revs, clutch riding, pushing, shoving, lifting and sheer luck we extracted ourselves, half drowned, barked up, cold and humbled. In both cases the water was halfway up the rocker covers and one engine had quit (another story). The point I’m making!….if we had winches the most practical way out (in both cases) was rearward as any forward winching would have been fraught with problems. As it was, it was real untidy riding out of both situations, and as I’ve already said we got lucky, real lucky. In hindsight a rear winching (on the first occasion and if we had a winch) would have allowed us a “tactical withdrawal” (jesus wept what a saying) as we already had done four or so crossings without to much trouble, but that choice was removed once we extracted ourselves after getting stuck, there was only one way out!….ahead and at the time the unknown! Out in my shed right now all is in preparation for the manufacture of a winch bracket using the same sort of winch I have on my trailer. Thanks for the pics of your setup Lee!….at least when I follow you on your 2WD now I’ve covered my ass if you get me stuck, and without a bunch of trouble be able to winch either forwards or backwards. Cheers Wheels. 😎
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Post by Uralee on Jul 24, 2021 17:16:06 GMT 10
For me it has always been a MUST for a winch to be easily used to the rear. First winch I installed on a bike (Honda outfit) was because I stupidly did not allow myself enough room to turn and go forward after loading the sidecar with firewood and of course it had no reverse. Also, if in the shit and you don’t know what is ahead, why pull the bike forward and maybe have to do the same again on the way back if you cannot continue forward. Another scenario is over a bank and still facing down hill. Running the winch cable from the front under the bike to the rear and pulling uphill is fraught with danger.
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Post by kirsil on Jul 25, 2021 10:31:46 GMT 10
I was asked about my DC to DC charger for the second battery. Because I only have this battery for the winch, which will only be needed to help bogged road trains, ‘cause Ural’s don’t get stuck. I put a small Redarc 1206 in the rear boot. So it basically puts a 12v 6Amp top up charge into a battery which doesn’t do a lot. If I was running accessories from the 2nd battery and only using the primary for starting, I’d have gone up in the amps to probably a 1220 (12V 20A). Not cheap but I’ve experienced this brand before and really happy with them. Obviously, there’s other cheaper brands available, which are probably really good, but I’ve got a thing about Aussie made at the moment, where I can. You might have to blow the photo up to get a good view.
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Post by jwsparkes on Jul 26, 2021 8:47:02 GMT 10
Lockdown made me do it......🤣🤣
G'day Lee, have you load tested your winch attachment yet?
Just my thoughts, but having the winch mount attachment to the side rear frame adjustment clamp bolts like you have isn't a very strong connection point. The offset between the cable pull and the attachment bracket will induce huge bending forces. I couldn't clearly see how the U-clamp is attached to the winch unit to react that force, but the method of attachment does not appear to be very strong in the fore/aft direction. Having that joint let go under strain and the winch flying forward could take your leg out! Ideally, you want the cable line of force to be parallel (as far as possible) and as close to the main fore/aft tube of the side car frame as possible, with the load being transferred into that tube via any means that does not put any bolts in bending.
Hopefully I'm not correct and your setup has sufficient strength to reach the winch full capacity.
Cheers and Regards, James.
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Post by Uralee on Jul 26, 2021 10:04:09 GMT 10
Just to put your mind at rest.....the mount is triangulated in both planes. The rear clamp bolts are in both tension and minor shear. The four bolt locators are securely welded.....even by Russian standards. The two 8mm U bolts have only minor shear loading in forward pull and tension in rear pull. I have also used the same method successfully on my other outfit for a number of years.
Thanks for your concern but my mount is probably 10 times stronger than those mounted on the front bumper bar which is ‘loosely’ attached to the frame by two 8mm bolts...😳
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Post by jwsparkes on Jul 26, 2021 10:28:42 GMT 10
Nice one. Cheers Lee. I'm sure it's fine.
I'm glad that I have my own winch to use should I ever need it.
I like your choice of words for strength assessment. :-) I would love to sign off on my aircraft certification reports with a few "probably"'s thrown in there for good measure. :-)
I agree, mounting the winch to the front bumper is not a good choice for load path transfer. It does have a clear path (somewhat) should it break free however. Have you seen that video where a 4WD is attempting to "snatch" another from the mud, using a chain attached to the tow ball? The tow ball broke free, was shot rearwards and through the windscreen of the vehicle being towed and took out the occupants entire lower jaw :-O
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Post by Uralee on Jul 27, 2021 15:10:54 GMT 10
Winch load tested.... vertical lift with me on board. 👍🤣
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